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  • 1.  Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-18-2025 08:30
    Dear colleagues,

    How are you all treating autoimmune optic neuropathy? I don’t have any clinical experience with this condition. My patient is a 48 yo AA male. Went from 20/25 in 2018 (based on records) to 20/200 in 2025. He also has known sickle cell trait and is also being treated for ischemic retinopathy which was presumed to be due to the SST. I’ve done an extensive work up and he’s ANA positive 1:80. Abnormal complement. This optic neuropathy seems like it has been aggressive and progressive. Never pain.

    I want to start MTX but not sure of what dose I should start.

    Thank you so much for your wisdom,
    Christine


  • 2.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-18-2025 09:20

    Ooof, this is a complex situation...

    Short answer:

    -mtx starting dose is usually 10 mg per week, after 1-2 doses if tolerated, goal dose is usually 20 mg - 25 mg / week, often doses above 20 mg require subQ administration for tolerability

    -John Guy would use IVIG for autoimmune optic neuropathy (AON). As his fellow, I reviewed many of his cases and found the evidence for the diagnosis to be limited in more than a few

    Long answer:

    -this is a very rare diagnosis, slowly progressive painless vision loss over 7 years in a young patient is more likely to be genetic (come dystrophy or optic neuropathy) rather than AON

    -Sickle trait is very rare to cause retinopathy unless the patient is frequently in hypoxic environments 

    -of the patient truly has an ischemic retinopathy, it would be difficult to determine a co-existent optic neuropathy because the GCL and ppRNFL can be thinned from retinal ischemia 

    -You would want to be very sure the patient has an autoimmune etiology before committing the patient to long term immunosuppression and to make sure the patient does not 1) paraneoplastic cause 2) chronic infectious process. Most people would not consider ANA 1:80 as evidence of autoimmune process, 1/3 of normal people have a low positive ANA

    -you will want to have predefined criteria for treatment success, if the patient has chronic / stable poor vision, even if it is AON, they may be past the window for vision improvement in which case risk of immunosuppression may outweigh benefit. If the patient does not have rapid vision loss, it would be advisable to monitor the patient to determine a rate of progression 

    It might be best to get a second opinion in a case like this before submitting the patient to long term / risky treatment 



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    Andrew Carey
    Associate Professor
    Wilmer Eye Institute, Johns Hopkins Medicine
    Baltimore MD
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  • 3.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-18-2025 10:46
    I'm not sure what the evidence of this being auto immune is as one to 80 is not very impressive. Does he have other evidence of other autoimmune disease in other systems? the better markers in the pre-mog era were lupus anticoagulant andantiphospholipid Ab

     if you really believe that this is a recurrent progressive optic neuropathy and MOG and NMO are negative and you want to make a diagnosis, nonsun exposed skin biopsy is still a viable option to look for evidence of multisystem, autoimmune disease 

    We typically did use methotrexate or cellcept in these cases but IVIG where available was also an excellent therapy
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  • 4.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-18-2025 14:26
    Hi,

    Thank you all for this. It is very helpful! I agree that the ANA was not impressive but it's hard to sit and kick back and watch the gentleman go blind, especially being so young. I'm going to incorporate all of your suggestions. 

    I'll keep you posted!
    Christine 





  • 5.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-19-2025 03:51

    Dear Christine,

    Autoimmune optic neuropathy is plausible in your patient as the vasculitis workup is positive, even though the ANA is a weak positive, the abnormal(?low) complement indicates ("tissue deposition of immune complexes, which can fix complement in the classical pathway, resulting in a reduction of serum complement levels")

    But the unexplained ischemic retinopathy in your patient may require ruling out the autoimmune retinopathy. This can be done with the investigations like OCT/ERG/FFA/Autofluorescence. If the tests favour AIR, you can conduct the anti-retinal antibody testing.CAR/MAR also should be ruled out.

    It's more than the vision that is at stake in this middle-aged man. He could be harbouring a malignancy or a CTD. A PET scan and a rheumatology consult will make it complete. The rheumatologist can also help you with the immunosuppressive treatment if required.

    Do keep us posted.



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  • 6.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-22-2025 10:31

    Dear All,

     

    The latest updated classification of autoimmune optic neuropathy (neuritis) indicates that this term now refers to AQP4 MOG CRMP5-ON etc, which is different from the ANA-positive optic neuropathy described in previous literature or optic neuropathies in systemic diseases.

     

    Yan 






  • 7.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-22-2025 14:10
    Of course, when autoimmune optic neuropathy was used (having contributedcontributed to that literature ) MOG, NMO and CRMP-5 were not known.
    I suspect, we will yet report more "autoimmune optic neuropathy" cases that are negative for the above, where we will eventually find the underlying antigen/antibody. 
    John Chen, feel free to let me know which ones they are, when we do know them.






  • 8.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-22-2025 14:21
    In 1989 or 1990, Charles Thirkill of CAR/recoverin fame, and I wrote an NIH grant together to have him try to identfy the antibodies in these AON cases.  

    The grant  appliucation got an incredibly low score, not on any sciecne, but rather that oit was too rare a disease for them to fund.

    Several of the cases that Ron Burde described, and that I wrote up, I am sure would have tested + for MOG if we had known about MOG.  Several of these were ANA+ and had the MRI's that we later saw described in MOG.  And I am quite sure  that more antibodies that cause either a chronic progressive or chronic relaposing course will eventually be identified.

    Seperating out a classification system based upon what AB are positive is of course impacted by the antibodies  that are there but not known/capable of being tested for, and thus the system is bound to change over time and be imperfect.





  • 9.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-22-2025 15:23
    There are few new diseases other then infectious. We understand them better. When I was a resident at BPEI in 1970, old people lost their vision because they had arteriosclerosis, and John Gass was getting in FA.
    Mickey Rosenberg




  • 10.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-23-2025 07:55

    I agree that our knowledge of antibodies that can cause autoimmune optic neuropathy is growing.  We now have AQP4 antibodies for NMOSD optic neuritis; MOG antibodies for MOGAD that explains about 1/3 of previously seronegative NMOSD and almost half of CRION. 

     

    Then there are antibodies associated with more of a papillitis or "prelaminar" optic neuritis that much more commonly affects the optic nerve head causing disc edema without affecting the retrobulbar portion of the optic nerve (no enhancement of the optic nerve on MRI and typically no pain), such as CRMP5, GFAP, and most recently possibly IgLON5.  CRMP5 often has bilateral papillitis with vitritis and/or retinitis along with CNS manifestations, but rarely can present with isolated bilateral papillitis.  About two-thirds of patients have cancer, especially small-cell lung carcinoma, which are sometimes unknown when the patient presents with the CNS/eye manifestations. 

    Cohen, Devon A., et al. "Collapsin response-mediator protein 5–associated retinitis, vitritis, and optic disc edema." Ophthalmology 127.2 (2020): 221-229.

     

    GFAP is a biomarker for meningoencephalomyelitis and MRI will often show classic radial enhancement.  GFAP can cause bilateral papillitis that can mimic papilledema from raised ICP (vision being relatively intact), but the ICP is normal half the time.  There is often elevated pleocytosis and protein on LP so will unlikely get misdiagnosed as IIH. 

    Chen, John J., et al. "Optic disc edema in glial fibrillary acidic protein autoantibody–positive meningoencephalitis." Journal of neuro-ophthalmology 38.3 (2018): 276-281.

     

    IgLON5 autoimmunity is typically characterized by gait instability, abnormal movements, bulbar dysfunction, and sleep disorder, but there have been some recent cases linked with a papillitis-type picture.

    Li X, Chen JJ, Hur M, Paton GR, McKeon A, Zekeridou A. Papillitis associated with IgLON5 autoimmunity: a novel clinical phenotype. Journal of neuroimmunology. 2024 Mar 15;388:578312.

    Varma-Doyle, Aditi, Bart K. Chwalisz, and Jenny Linnoila. "Anti-Immunoglobulin-Like Cell Adhesion Molecule-5 (IgLON5) Associated Neurological Disease Presenting With Bilateral Intraocular Optic Neuritis as an Initial Presentation: Expanding Clinical Phenotype of the Disease." Journal of Neuro-Ophthalmology 45.1 (2025): e35-e37.

     

    Lastly, there are definitely antibodies that have not been identified yet that are responsible for the remaining seronegative NMOSD, idiopathic recurrent optic neuritis, and idiopathic recurrent papillitis/prelaminar optic neuritis.  In these cases, it is important to use the clinical picture to make the diagnosis and not depend on antibody testing that may not be specific.  For example, when we looked at retinal antibodies in normal individuals at the Oregon lab and at Mayo, we found that 94% of individuals had retinal antibodies in both labs (all except recoverin). 

    Chen, John J., et al. "Clinical utility of antiretinal antibody testing." JAMA ophthalmology 139.6 (2021): 658-662.

    Although not part of the report, we also checked optic nerve auto-antibodies at Oregon and 100% of normal individuals had optic nerve autoantibodies, which we also found nonspecifically at the Mayo lab on Western blot.  Bottom line is that the clinical picture should trump antibody testing, even in the setting of our known biomarkers (for example, MOG-IgG is 98% specific, but the positive predictive value is only 72%). 

     

    best,

    John

     






  • 11.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-23-2025 08:01
    thank you, John!





  • 12.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-23-2025 09:31
    Great update John! 
    A very contemporary outlook on the topic!!
    Thank you!!!
    But makes me wonder Where does this entity called 

    Autoimmune-Related Retinopathy and Optic Neuropathy (ARRON) 

    fit into all this? Is it obsolete as a term now? I saw it's a very updated entity on Eyewiki last updated on 18 September 2025.Article initiated by Dr Andrew Lee. Wish Dr Lee too was available for comments on Nanosnet 

    Shikha





  • 13.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-23-2025 13:27
    John

    Are GFAP and IgLON tests more sensitive and specific if present in CSF (rather than serum alone) when suspecting these entities? 

    Sangeeta





  • 14.  RE: Autoimmune optic neuropathy

    Posted 09-23-2025 13:54

    Sangeeta, that is a good question.  I think CRMP5, GFAP, IgLON5 are a bit more sensitive and specific in the CSF, but the serum can also make some diagnoses.  AQP4-IgG is best in the serum and CSF adds no additional benefit.  For MOG-IgG, it is best to start with the serum, but perhaps up to 10% of MOGAD patients may be positive in the CSF and negative in the serum so CSF MOG-IgG can be considered for patients with a MOGAD phenotype that are negative in the serum.  Redenbaugh, Vyanka, et al. "Diagnostic utility of MOG antibody testing in cerebrospinal fluid." Annals of neurology 96.1 (2024): 34-45.

    The CSF MOG-IgG assay at Mayo is not yet commercially available, but can be done on a research basis (hopefully will be commercially available in early 2026).   Most current commercially available CSF fixed MOG-IgG assays have relatively poor sensitivity; we likely need a live cell based assay for the CSF MOG-IgG testing.

    Best,

    John