Original Message:
Sent: 05-15-2025 23:52
From: Shikha TALWAR
Subject: Acute bilateral visual constriction, mild disc edema and abnormal mfERG
Yan, are you on the old NANOSNET group? Dr Martha Schatz is discussing something so similar.Though the mfERG is not too abnormal , has blunting of the peak , but with a history of photophobia with this mfERG, with no past history of cancer, you should get the pt evaluated by an oncologist despite some suspicion of CTD on previous blood tests.
Retinal antibodies per se May not give the clarity as can be positive in patients with autoimmune diseases
Shikha
Dr Shikha Bassi
Sankara Nethralaya
Chennai
India
Original Message:
Sent: 5/15/2025 4:42:00 PM
From: Yan Yan
Subject: RE: Acute bilateral visual constriction, mild disc edema and abnormal mfERG
Repeated mfERG is still abnormal.
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Yan
Original Message:
Sent: 05-12-2025 13:45
From: Andrew Carey
Subject: Acute bilateral visual constriction, mild disc edema and abnormal mfERG
If the full field ERG is normal (including b:a wave ratio >1.3) then it is not a variant of autoimmune retinopathy ( CAR, MAR, or non-paraneoplastic). If the repeat mf-ERG is normal then retina is ruled out. The antibody tests for CAR are of low sensitivity with frequent false positives. I would not order these as a screening / rule out test.
PET-CT may help to rule out an auto-immune / paraneoplastic optic neuropathy given the atypical nature.
Sarcoid can cause optic neuropathy with normal or near normal MRI although rare. PET-CT should be helpful for sarcoid as well.
Best,
Drew
Original Message:
Sent: 5/12/2025 12:34:00 PM
From: Shikha TALWAR
Subject: RE: Acute bilateral visual constriction, mild disc edema and abnormal mfERG
Very interesting case
A few of my thoughts , not too sure though
There are 2 structures involved in the visual pathway .
The outer retina and optic nerves
The pathology may be single
Visual fields and mfERG changes due to the retinal pathology
Optic disc swelling and the MRI changes in the nerve not seen clinically as yet, at least not responsible for the HVF changes
Should do a PET CT or the CAR antibody panel also , May just be a CTD related disease but haven't seen this presentation in SLE, SLE retinopathy and neuropathy can present simultaneously . But the retinopathy has some colour shower on retina- haem/ exudates etc
Best
Shikha
Dr Shikha Bassi
Sankara Nethralaya
Chennai
India
Original Message:
Sent: 5/12/2025 11:22:00 AM
From: Yan Yan
Subject: RE: Acute bilateral visual constriction, mild disc edema and abnormal mfERG
Thank you both for your replies!
The main symptom of this patient is obvious photophobia when looking at LED white lights or fluorescent lights, especially in the subway station, but there is no photophobia under sunlight.
The macular line scan is normal, and more coronal MRI images are as shown. Syphilis and TB (T-SPOT) were negative.
This patient consulted in the online clinic. When I heard his chief complaint, I suspected a retinal disease. Moreover, his visual field is inconsistent with the MRI findings. I will see him in person this Thursday.
What confuses me most is his mfERG. However, I just called him and he told me that they performed ffERG on him and directly carried out the mfERG without letting him rest. Even at the beginning, he couldn't see the red cross of the fixation point, and the technician had to repeat the exam.
So I suggested that he make an appointment to repeat the mfERG tomorrow. At the same time, recheck FFA and do an ICGA.
I suggested he go to the rheumatologist to further investigate the positive result of Sjögren's syndrome antibody (anti-Ro) and ANA.
I agree this could be optic perineuritis but Is there any possibility that this is an autoimmune retinopathy (normal ffERG, OCT, and AF)?
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Yan
Original Message:
Sent: 05-12-2025 08:33
From: Sherif Ahmed Kamel Abdelbar
Subject: Acute bilateral visual constriction, mild disc edema and abnormal mfERG
Definitely agree , I just include both under the term optic neuritis , though here the enhancement is unilateral and bit atypical
Original Message:
Sent: 5/11/2025 8:36:00 PM
From: Yan Yan
Subject: Acute bilateral visual constriction, mild disc edema and abnormal mfERG
Hi Dear All,
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
A 44-year-old male with no previous medical history. He had sudden peripheral visual field defects in both eyes accompanied by blurred vision for half a month, along with photophobia, especially with LED white light. This is more obvious in the subway station and improves slightly outdoors. There is no pain with eye movement and no headache. There is no transient vision loss or tinnitus. He denies any change in color vision.
He has been treated with methylprednisolone 500mg for 3 days and 250mg for 3 days in the local hospital.
The visual field is slightly better after getting up in the morning but returns to the previous state in the afternoon.
The corrected visual acuity of both eyes is 20/20, and the color vision is 8/8. The anterior chamber is deep and quiet, RAPD is negative, the optic discs are slightly edematous, the cup-disc ratio is 0.3, and no lesions are seen in the retina.
The brain and orbital MRI w/wo is normal.
The visual fields of both eyes show symmetrical concentric constriction. Fluorescein angiography (FFA) shows leakage of the optic discs in both eyes. The autofluorescence is normal.
AQP4, MOG and GFAP are negative, ANA is 1:320, and SSA is positive. The mfERG shows a severe decrease wave in the macula, while the ffERG is normal.
Any thoughts?
Thanks!
Best,
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Yan
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